We're afraid this will take the place of PiU. Most people really haven't played Pump enough to get into it, but now it's got a different interface and mines and everyone is all excited and can't wait to see how it's going to turn out.  :?  This excitement will result in these machines becoming more common in the US than the original PiU machines, and no one will even get to try the original Pump anymore.

The game is taking Pump and making it more like ITG, trying to appeal to the ITG fans here in the US, and it appears to be working; while at the same time upsetting the PiU fans.

PiU feels more natural than the 4 panel layout. Crossing over feels different than "scaling".

oh well thats not good. Maybe they can at least keep certain things in it to appeal to the PiU fans, without going completely ITG, but whatev. I'm looking forward to learning 5 panel with this, and hoping more machines surface in this area (after all, Kyle is from the PNW, and the Beta test is in PNW right? We;ll probably see it soon after the final release, or even during beta testing.) And i don';t think Andamiro would make a decision that they wuld later regret, but if they do, they can always go back to PiU right? RIGHT!?

I'm willing to try new things, and this may very well be one of them, regardless of criticism.

PS: lol @ whining about buttons on machine

This is a separate "spinoff" from the main Pump series and the original will continue (the next mix is named and is at least half way complete as it is).

So yeah, my last post obviously went over everyone's heads. Shockingly enough, there are people that enjoy pump it up the way it is, and care about where the series goes. Sure the ITG people might have something new they'll want to play, but this will never attract current Pump players. There's a feeling you get from Pump that is unique and unless you get that feeling as well, you'll never understand. I know this is all falling on deaf ears, but I may as well say it.

I wish Ward would come up with something original instead of repeatedly trying to capitalize on the hardwork and success of other game developers.

And make a song worth listening to.

And steps worth playing.

And now that I mention it, let me say something else about steps. Spending too much time on them makes you overanalyze them and makes them way too technical. This removes a lot of the fun factor it may have had. Most songs on pump it up take three days to complete, and are 100 times better than almost all of ITG.

In all honesty, not everyone has your opinion. Kyle Ward helped with the Stemania project which Did have original ideas, many people like at least one song of his (I personally like Destiny), and some people like at least one of his charts.

So, even if you hate Ward, he's not quite as bad as you say.

Do I think PiuP is the best of ideas? Not majorly. I doubt that it will draw in much of a crowd that didn't already play Pump due to the 5-panel layout, and I don't think many Pump players will lay it due to it's Americanization, so in the end, I don't see a big fanbase for this at all.

BUT, I don't actually blame him for making an American Pump. It's not really a sin.

I see this as a chance to finally learn how to play 5-panel.  After I get decent on one of these, I could probably starting playing real Pump at Ultrazone.  I suck too much to spend $1 per game on PIU right now.

PiU has training (beginner) mode (as well as easy charts). There isn't anything that has stopped you from learning how to play it. :-?  If you've played any dancing game before, changing to 5 arrow is a lot easier than it was originally learning how to play 4 arrow.

(Well, I'm not too familiar with the older ones regarding beginner mode and whatnot. I know there wasn't as many options for new players on the older mixes, but they were still there. I learned somehow...)

I can't see PiU:Pro being much (if any) cheaper price wise.

I hope an eastern WA arcade gets this; because all we have right now is some horrendous REALLY REALLY old mix of PIU.  I played it once and the pads were really iffy (the middle was dead on the 2p side), and there were like. . . 10-15 songs.  None of which were any good.  I've heard DDR's first mixes weren't any better, but they've got a SN cab and an extreme cab, why won't they pay attention to the PIU cab?

::gets out the cane:: ahh sonny! back in my day we had to put in CODES to unlock difficulties and then you were STUCK with it! We had all hard songs and we LIKED it! We had 10 songs which were all terrible covers of terrible songs and did we complain? NO! And what's with this AAA stuff? Back in my day we couldn't afford three A's! We had to use S's instead! ::puts the cane away::

In other words, we had fun :)

Hard songs, AAA's?  Nope, my copmlaint is that the cab is just plain shitty and there's maybe one song I liked playing.  This wasn't fun at all.

Well im assuming we will get one soon after the final version, or who knows, they might start opening up new test locations. I've been DYING to play some 5-panel.

man... i just took a look at the song list and i want to play this
it has ignition starts and hypnosis :O

HmmM...  think about this, so decided its truly a conspiracy.   ..?

RoXor was bought off to Konami not long ago.

This is "konamis'" trojan horse. Truly a REVENGE time.

DO NOT GO "TEST LOCATION"!!!! IT IS TRAP! TRULY A HOAX!!!!!!!

"Kyle Ward" is a mole DO NOT BELIEVE HIS LIES,,,,。

KONA-SPIRACY
Kyle ward has hidden his real plans for a while. ITG was just a way for him to get to DDR. Now that he's inside andamiro, he can get pump sued, and go back to konami. this will leave DDR dominant again. This has been in the works since stepmania's inception, which was merely a tool to target and find individuals who may be a threat to konami's "legacy". Betson set DTX up to fail. They left the project to screw them over: they had already signed contracts with konami. They just wanted to put themselves ahead of the curve. I know the admins will ban us for this, but PLEASE LISTEN.

Dude, stop making stuff up.  It's common knowlege Konami made DDR so they could sue Roxor.

but this is a whole nother layer 2 that. the fact that kyle was in on it is synyster. Kyle set up roxor as means to screw over stepmania in the long run. he can manipulate the community by making these new projects and having us believe he's not with konami. this time konami sent their littl e time bomb to andamiro. pray that andamiro won't get sued again. maybe kyle will even go as far as sabotaging the game. he did that with itg by allowing kid whatever's music in it. he tried to make itg look like a shady rip off so he could have konami win the case. this is a grand conspiracy against grass roots dance games that cannot b ignored.

Pump pro is andamiro. it cant get sued. i dont really even know if you guys are serious or not, but stop making stuff up. i though conspiracies died with Serious business (or at least they were supposed to). keeping this up could sink this thread for good. now stop. also, if konami was using kyle, they wouldn't have touched ITG, so they would still get money from the anti-DDRers.

Diggit 6<-- Conspirator / denier.

jk
NOW....

And Pump has been sued before. Don't talk out of your ass. You do that a lot, and the forums reek of idiocy already.
worst logic I've seen from you yet. The point would be to establish DDR as the market dominator and squelch / discourage people's grass root efforts to make a game. Why would they want to pay the others on the ITG development team when ITG team members actively disliked Konami? Konami wouldn't want anything to do with them. Kyle used ITG to get to konami from the start, but this was a joke from the beginning. Now I'm challenging your logic, not the validity of my joke.

You are not a mod. This is called "humor." Take a deep breath, it will be fine.
[edit: beaten. :)]

Back on topic, anyone gonna check this out this weekend? Foy and I are coming down Fri/Saturday.

Kyrandian and I will be going, maybe BBH? I know zeppy_gorrila is definately not going. So there won't be any forum drama *whew*

so yeah, you're zeppy gorilla right?  More than enough evidence suggests it to me, so yeah.

Yup. I think it's pretty obvious.

YOU GUYS R CRAZY. Y WOULD I BE ZEPPY_GORRILA. I SIGNEd UP A WHOLE 4 DAYS BEFORE HE DID.

Same person.

Anyway, Sean (starfalcon) will be there too... not sure how many of you know who he is, but he's quite good at Pump.