oh snap that's the address of Bi Gals

perhaps I should go check it out!

So which game did they rip off this time?  :-P

so technomotion this time? nice.

someone take me




please

Ok so now i have some info on what it is.
Originally posted by Rosie from itgfreak

Did it ever occur to you guys that the whole "high class bowling alley" theme of Big Al's is like the douchebaggy version of Acme?

It seemed to be the same type of atmosphere there at Big Al's as it is at Acme when I was there a few months ago.

i wonder if davyn is going to catch on to this 5 panel, pump like, dancing game :roll: (if it is what they say)

Andamiro will sue?

:lol:

I'm guessing Andamiro is in some way involved.  I'm really curious if this has anything to do with the game formerly known as DanceTraX though....

he said he'd hate it if roxor made a 5 panel game, but i bet he'd play it anyway
good news for kyle, andamiro doesn't give a shit about ripoffs!  The problem is quality though!

So basically it's a SM cabinet for pump.  So it all hinges on song and step quality.  I guess you can't have steps worse than some of those level 1million songs from NX, but as far as songs on pump vs songs that we saw on ITG goes...

Damn, I think they're actually trying to make sure nobody makes the mistake of thinking it's actually a different game like everyone has with ITG.

Ok, so basically it's Pump, with buttons on the panel (finally), a retarded name, and songs that nobody has ever heard of?

It's definitely associated with Andamiro with all the logos and names all over that thing.

There's also a nice lack of any "RoXoR" on the cabinet... so maybe it'll be ok.  :lol:

And it's definitely not an "evolution of step" from the looks of it.

RoXoR R-bars too.

those are pump "R-bars"
itg's bars just had a little lump on the sides of it

No...

It's pump (5panel game play), a rather neat name (NX? PREX? Exceed? Zero? Extra? Fusion? O.B.G.? Come on...) and songs that you'll be familiar with.

It's essentially improving on Pump in nearly every way while keeping the things that pump players enjoy.

Why so cynical?

OK I watched half a video of a song and compiled a little list of things wrong.

1. The song sounds like shit.
2. Forced hands (quad freezes with middle quarter notes? Come on...)
3. Steps don't flow and have completely unneeded spins.
3. The noteskin doesn't animate properly (looks like pump in sm, static arrows)
4. Horrible background videos.
5. Mines.
6. Holds function the same as itg.
7. Way too much double stepping.
8. Ugly theme.
9. Too many judgment gradings.
10. Same difficulty scale as ITG.
11. Can't use the pad for navigation or codes.

If I ever decide to try this thing I would only play actual Pump it up songs. I've had more than enough Kyle Ward the past couple years. Also it's hilarious watching him try to play piu songs. He's totally lost. Makes me wonder how bad his steps will be.

I hope we don't get one of these up here.

1. It's beta
2. Pump has had WAY more BS stuff. (not discounting you here, but seriously... 16th notes on 1p LL and 2p LR?)
3. It's pump.
4. It's beta.
5. Don't worry, none of the old songs have been modified.
6. Um, how else would that work?
7. It's pump?
8. It's beta.
9. It's beta
10. It's beta.
11. Thank god. :)

1. Kyle Ward makes bad music. "Beta" or "Final" can't change that.
2. Pump does not have any pattern with two or more freezes and a single step that requires you to use your hands. In fact, there are maybe three songs total that make you use your hands in all of pump it up. (if you're  wondering, i've been playing continuously since pump it up came to the US. i know whats up)
3. You obviously haven't played pump it up in a long time. the entire point of all their stepcharts is for them to be done without any double stepping. come play some time and i'll show you.
4. unless each song has its own video that isn't just generic loops of tunnels and sparks, it won't be much better.
5. VERY GOOD.
6. the way pump it up handles them.
7. again, pump it up has no double stepping. you guys just can't play it right. not trying to be mean or a smartass or whatever, but seriously, the steps are made so you can alternate the entire charts. it just takes a while to learn how to do all the kinds of crossovers the game can throw at you.
8. i hope so. though looking at itg1 beta to itg1 final, i didn't see much change.
9. Yeah.
10. Yeah. just pointing out what i find wrong, thats how they improve betas anyway.
11. i prefer using the pad over buttons, but i guess thats just me? at least put the speed code on the pad.

At least I can rest easy knowing we have an NX here and that andamiro isn't stopping production of the real game anytime soon.

davyn> haha i knew you were gonna mention like half the stuff you mentioned
i'd like to play it though only if we somehow get one up here cuz i really don't think i want to make the trip down there to play that.
well actually, i dont think i could make the trip down there even if i wanted to anyways :oops:

1. I'll agree to disagree :)
2. Didn't know that. But there have been some seriously BS steps in Pump- calling out one thing you see you don't like isn't holding much ground for your position.
3. Great (I'll be honest, I don't have much to say in regards to the steps. You're obviously playing at a much higher level. I'm speaking from more of a generalist perspective)
4. You're passing judgement on beta software. You obviously haven't been designing much software recently ;)
6. Like multiple steps? Kind of inaccurate isn't it?
7. I don't have anything more to add here. :)
8. Yeah, you must not have played it a lot. There was a ridiculous amount of change.
10. Might want to direct this to the appropriate people then?
11. Again, you may want to talk to someone that can help there. This is the time to get stuff like that implemented (although, it also might actually be there as well- don't know)

As someone who's coming from a pump background, it's a shame you've passed judgement on the entire game by watching half a video.

edit: And I know listing things looks like it's coming off as an attack, it's not, I'm just replying easily to your list to my list to your list ;)

well, I ended up going and played it a bit, and I must say I enjoyed it.

Yes, it's more or less a hybrid of Pump + ITG. Besides the obvious addition of songs by Kyle Ward and Oscillator X and maybe some other songs that were supposed to be on ITG3 (? I dunno), there are some ITG-themed changes to the interface. You select your modifiers from a menu, you get to see the number of steps/hands/mines/rolls/etc before you select a song, a percentage-based scoring system, etc. Machine records are saved although you don't get to put your initials in on this beta. And yes, there's still plenty of old songs on the machine, Kyle told me that they've brought back some songs that were absent in NX.

I will have a longer review up later!

[imo] ITG sucked horribly.
ITG was:
A combination of people who weren't qualified to make good step charts (especially doubles)
A combination of mostly horrible music
Stupid because they tried to put hands and mines in all over the place where they weren't needed

...and now they're going to ruin a perfectly good game with all the aforementioned junk.

"Hey look guys, I'm "Pro" because I can use hands to look just as retarded as those guy who played ITG"

Pump players do *not* enjoy the same things ITG or DDR players enjoy. Pump is about flow and movement, something neither 4 arrow dance game could accomplish. This will end up being full of Kyle's music (because it's cheaper that way), full of people who probably wouldn't have any clue at doubles steps again, and it's taking away from the chance of people getting real Pump cabinets (that don't suck).

I'm with Davyn here on pretty much everything.

Well, at least ITG's BS charts will fit in with the extreme Pump charts...

(Waits for Pump "Pro" R21)

And on a final note, it's easy to pass judgment on the game because all it is, is an ITG bastard child of Pump.

Is there anything innovative besides mixing Pump with ITG?