A song should not be rated by one person's ability to do well on it, but by comparison to other songs of other ratings through math to calculate speed or stamina drain.

And yes, you can use math.

HDVO has a 12 step per second crossover candle stream for multiple measures.

Even if YOU'RE quite adept at going through this song, which is possible, note that Summer is a 13 because of it's 16th streams at 185 without candles or crossovers.

Now take a stream at virtually the same speed with candles and crossovers....and you want me to rate it as an 11?

Take The Beginning for example. It has candle crossovers.......at 132  (264 if Konami made the chart) This is then compared to HDVO's 360  (180 if Roxor made the chart)


Ok, well then it it's completely out of the league of a good solid 11, let's move on to 12's.

Take Bloodrush. Bloodrush is NOT hard because it's overly fast, other 12's and even 11's are faster than Bloodrush. Why then is Bloodrush considered a hard 12? Probably due to the candley crossovers  *Gasp*

Now you see, if Bloodrush is considered such a hard 12 with candley crossovers at 158, why should HDV be lumped in the same category when Roxor toyed with the idea of rating Bloodrush as a 13 anyway?

Now then, if you're arguement is that most of the song is too easy to merit a 13 and thus it the easy parts should balance it out, let me give you some examples.

Delirium
Determinator
Vertex2
Mythology

All three of these songs do not really display the difficulty rating they are assigned for MOST of the chart, or at least the first half. Delirium is like a hard 10 easy 11 until that one stupid stream, and then I argue that it isn't a low-end 12 but a solid benchmark 12 just due to the focus needed for a 259 note 16th stream. Determinator is like a 10 for most of the chart, though an arguement could be made that the 7-note bursts would bring it up to an 11. Ok, it's an 11 then.....EXCEPT for the gay stream in the middle and the shorter stream at the end. Again, this is considered one of the harder 12's, even though it takes about as much stamina as Kagami. Vertex2 is also obvious in why it is a 13. From the bassrush on (a little past the halfway point) the song gets nuts. Before that, it's pathetic. It starts off at around a 10, then changes to an 11 and POSSIBLY a low-end 12 due to technicality before the hand drills and freeze arrows, then all bets are off. Mythology is a fairly easy 10 for most of the chart, but the end runs are definitely deserving of it's 11 rating.

HDV is the same way. It starts off at a high 9 or low 10 until the speed up where it turns into a high-end 11 and then just gets stupid crazy fast.

Remember, it's like Summer (Rated 13 for speed) only with candles and crossovers.



My last point should not be taken the wrong way. I'm not trying to be a fanboy here, so don't accuse me of that. James is quite capable of passing every 13 in ITG, and thus has a decent feel for what a 13's intensity is like. He considers HDV to definitely be a 13 because he almost failed during the fast part.


Again, you can have your opinions. I personally find Infection to be one of the easiest 11's in the game, but mathematically you can kind of see a song's difficulty. HDV is probably best suited at a 13 rating.

You simply can't rate songs.  Everyone's going to have their own strengths and weaknesses.  It's like classifying spiral galaxies.  Even professional astronomers can give the same galaxy drastically different ratings.  Some people think I underrate my sims, while others think I overrate them.

Also, you simply can't really quantify how technical something is.  You can't even really quantize stamina drain, since there is no real way of measuring how much stamina someone has or what percentage of that stamina you have left.  There are so many other outside factors that can make you tired or not.

The only real way I could see to quantify songs is to track a clear rate, and every song between x and y clear rate is rated a z.

It's funny, because the difference between 10's through 13's seems to be nothing but the degree of chaos, the length of the 16th streams, and the bpm.

So pretty much just stamina beyond 11's.
Seems kind of silly.

is all that matters.

otherwise delirium wouldn't be a 12.  Or genom screams a 10.  or Utopia an 11.  
The hardest part of a song dictates its difficulty for the most part, because those numbers generally indicate how hard a song is to clear. ITGs 13s aren't technically difficult, they're just stamina draining.  HDVO's 360bpm section is harder than any 15 second chunk of ITG 13s except the very end of vertex^2.

I'm of the opinion that bloodrush and determinator are both far too difficult to be a 12, anyway.

i guess... but delirium has some pretty difficult stuff spread out through the song, like the 16th note step jumps and stuff

and bloodrush is so a 12

Good job, keep it up.

FC'd Mythology for the first time (Home version unfortunately). Armada of Excellents and Greats prevented from having a good score though  (91.XX) Next time I'll actually pay attention to FA as opposed to just comboing.   =)

Can anyone give me tips for getting through taps? I'm stuck on FCing CSFILSM. THe only 9 i haven't FC'd yet

lift your foot higher

No real way except practice.  Some people have said alternate toe-heel or use both feet, but that's just far too error-prone for me.  You can practice it anywhere, hopefully in private, unless you really don't care what people think of you.

Taps?  As in jackhammers?

I find it easiest to flick foot rapidly, but then again, I get combo breakers on Mellow, so don't take my advice. ;P

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if only the waterfront wasn't so far away.............

Full combo on Do U Love Me [ex] with 195 exellents and 47 greats. 89.36%.
First 11-block pass: Infection [ex] Nomines 85.13%
77/2/0/3 on Paranoia Survivor [h]

I suck at these arrowsmashy type games.

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Do U Luv [e] is way harder than it ought to be.
Seriously, it could be a 9 easily, but trying to give it a 10 chart was dumb; it didn't help that the only time I've ever played the Expert chart was also the first time I'd seen 32nd's outside of gallops or bag.

You're just jealous 'cause you can't FC it.
Nah, just kidding. I actually find the chart fun myself. To each his own...

Are you kidding?  I can hardly clear it with a C. ;P

In that case, you're jealous that a 13 year old is better than you at dancing games.

Maybe I'd be better if I weren't on hiatus.

I haven't been playing DDR lately because trying to mod my old pads is a pain in the ass and I don't have the money to build a new pad.

Oh, and the arcade's out of my budget. xP

I need to get a job.

Don't we have, like, 2?

I'm 16, that's close. . .

I wish I could go to Acme, but between gas prices and the fact that my mom wouldn't let me ride a moped to Seattle over her dead body, it's not likely, at least not soon.

14. playing since I was 10. currently can pass 1 12s, and all ddr 10s except Felmo faxx faxxo Paranoia respect and trim

Oh, okay, 3. ;P

You guys are just jealous another 13 year old is better than you:



Just messin', I got really lucky on this. Everything else that night was all 97s and other bad scores.

I only ever played that once because it's a horrible remix of an awesome song.

I saw it and thought "ZOMG I love this song!" and then I played it and was like, "KIIIIIILLLL!"

if you ever get a chance to go tell me ahead of time and i'll be sure to go too.

97.65 Why Me

Will ** next try.

I'm curently working on filling my groovestats up for arcade scores, so if anyone wants to they can give me challenges. I only have like 15 scores in now, and a few of them aren't good because I did them after I was already really tired, but yeah.

I guess that last rant should go in the challenges thread.

EDIT: I'm 18 in like two weeks, so I don't really fit in the super young crowd, of course I'm younger than all the college and up peeps.