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[pantsu]

thought this might be cool for people with jobs but maybe not

I work at Boulevard Park Thriftway
http://www.thriftway.com/location_boulevardpark.aspx

12000 Des Moines Way S
Seattle, WA 98168
Phone: (206) 246-5697
Hours:
 Mon-Sat 6am to 11pm

Stop in sometime

[Arkaaito]

Sorry to revive a dead topic, but I've pretty much decided to go to work for Microsoft (MSN Search), starting this summer.

Um, wootness?

I'm really excited about the group, and less excited about the low challenge level of the work I'll be doing to start out with (at least if the base salary offer is any indication of how competent they expect me to be - it's substantially lower than the other places').  Overall, though, I think it'll be a great place to work.

So yeah, look out, here I come! <does the little PNW dance>

</babble>

[BLueSS]

Nice.

Don't forget about all the free beverages you can drink too. ;-)

[Arkaaito]

Amazingly, most of the places I'm looking at offer something like that.  I will say that it's nice to have a steady supply of fruit juice while you code, and that it'll be convenient not to have to lug a case of cans to work everyday, but I don't see it as a major factor (monetary or otherwise) and I'm not sure why it's achieved such ubiquity.

<shrugs> Oh well.  I'm probably not the average techie.

[ChilliumBromide]

Personally, I always drink carbonated beverages on the job.

Which is pretty dumb, 'cause I always wind up getting sawdust or solder or steel clippings in my cream soda. D:

[MistletoeAngelMagic]

I haven't really had an official job with salary yet, although I earned a two-week task as Interim Evening News & Public Affairs Director at KBOO Community Radio (90.7 FM in Portland) where I was paid a living wage.

I'm likely going to work as a caregiver this summer, as I've done caregiving a lot in previous years.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton
(Mistletoe Angel)

[MistletoeAngelMagic]

Personally, I always drink carbonated beverages on the job.

Which is pretty dumb, 'cause I always wind up getting sawdust or solder or steel clippings in my cream soda. D:

On occasion I drink colas or energy drinks, but I usually drink Glaceau Vitamin Water.

Some have always made a big deal about each bottle of Vitamin Water containing 120 calories, but I don't get the worry. If you drink as many Vitamin Waters per day as Britney Spears drinks Coca-Colas (a recent report said she had 24 Coca-Colas in one day) THEN it's a problem. But if you have just one or two a day, it's truly nothing to fret about, and in fact is quite healthy for you in providing essential B vitamins.

Besides, what harm is one bottle of Vitamin Water with 120 calories and zero grams of fat, compared to a Monster Thickburger at Hardee's with 1420 calories and 107 grams of fat? It's an ice pellet sized up to a heart attack in a hand basket!  :shock:

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[Diggit_6]

hahaha. It's called Carls Jr. here in spokane, but I've been places where they call it Hardee's. WHo know why they do it, I just had to point it out.

[ChilliumBromide]

Unfortunately, as a vegetarian, it's almost impossible to get enough calories.  I eat five times as much as most of my friends, but only get twice the calories, and it's all so low in saturated fats and cholesterol that I'm still 30lbs lighter than I should be. D:

[MistletoeAngelMagic]

hahaha. It's called Carls Jr. here in spokane, but I've been places where they call it Hardee's. WHo know why they do it, I just had to point it out.

Yeah, CKE Restaurants (which own Carls Jr.) bought Hardee's in 1997, and thus that's why the previous Hardee's logo was replaced by the same smiling star logo you see at Carls Jr., with the two restaurants also featuring many of the same products and same advertising campaigns.

Because I used to live and grow up my most early life around Lake Kentucky in southern Illinois and western Tennessee, my family would often go to Hardee's, and not surprisingly that may explain why my extended family on average weighs much more than I do.

I think they put out things like the Monster Thickburger just to push the envelope. The chain has been losing restaurants within the past twenty years, and so they know they need to generate some pang of publicity to turn things around. And they have been very successful in doing so through their big burger campaign, rebelling against how other major fast food franchises have agreed to reduce the sodium in their foods, use fresher products, use sunflower oil isntead of vegetable oil, eliminate trans-fats, etc.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[MistletoeAngelMagic]

Unfortunately, as a vegetarian, it's almost impossible to get enough calories.  I eat five times as much as most of my friends, but only get twice the calories, and it's all so low in saturated fats and cholesterol that I'm still 30lbs lighter than I should be. D:

It's quite the same with me here.

I suppose that's what "Free Cone Day" at Ben & Jerry's is for! Now about making that holiday a quad-annual tradition.  :lol:

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[Diggit_6]

I have some friends at my school who are vegan and vegetarian, and I want to know (just out of curiosity, I'm not condemning you guys at all) why did you decide to become a vegetarian?

[ChilliumBromide]

I don't like the taste or consistency of meats, and I think that I can be healthier without.

[Diggit_6]

That seems to be what I hear the most often. Makes perfect snese to me.

[MistletoeAngelMagic]

I have some friends at my school who are vegan and vegetarian, and I want to know (just out of curiosity, I'm not condemning you guys at all) why did you decide to become a vegetarian?

Well, I wasn't always a vegetarian. I used to be a carnivore, and in fact ate LOTS of meat from when I was growing up along Lake Kentucky in southern Illinois and western Tennessee with my extended family in my earliest years, to my childhood and early to mid adolescence in Colorado. I would even ask my parents often to stop at venison jerky huts along the mountain roads to Rocky Mountain National Park and such! (giggles)

But I've always loved animals very much my whole life also, and share the beliefs of many native American tribal communities that there is an ethical way to hunt animals for food, (as well as post-hunting etiquette in seeing to it you ate everything, shared it among your extended family and gave the animal a proper blessing) and there are non-ethical ways. Sadly, I heard story after story growing up in Colorado that meat producers in northeastern Colorado around Fort Morgan and elsewhere, particularly Calhoun Packing Co. and Excel Corop, were doing especially cruel things to animals, including skinning and slicing the limbs off of live steer and dunking baby pigs into tubs of boiling hot water.

I had wished these were just mere single, isolated incidents, but it became so routine and commonplace that it was nauseating to me, to where I finally said on Christmas of 2000 my New Years resolution would be becoming a vegetarian, to show that though I have no ill will whatsoever to those who do eat meat, as I believe they in heart don't endorse those kind of barbaric acts, I would not have my dollars going to allow those kinds of acts in my love and defense of animals, and I have been one ever since.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[MistletoeAngelMagic]

Earlier it was mentioned here how difficult it is for vegetarians to reach the recommended daily calorie threshold (2500 for males, 2000 for females)

I've been struggling heavily as of late in terms of calorie consumption. Some days I've went two days without eating, and Mondays and Wednesdays this term at PSU, when my longest class days are, I have only consumed 375 calories each day (250 from a Clif Bar, 125 from a Glaceau Vitamin Water) which is just over 1/7 of the recommended daily calorie intake for men. Then, with long walks to the school and back, as well as Dance Dance Revolution, I end up with a sharp net calorie decrease those days.

Beginning with high school, that was when I began never feeling the urge to eat breakfast, where my stomach felt like it was tied in a knot in the morning, and when I tried, defensive vomiting occurred. Then three years ago, that exact same feeling started expanding into lunch. My first urge to eat usually doesn't come until between 3-4 P.M now, and what I'm worried about the most is that eventually this same feeling will expand into dinner. I think I'm diagnosed with Orthorexia nervosa, an eating disorder based on eating purely, intermingled with forms of anorexia as well.

Part of the dilemma is linked to family issues, the other linked to FDA politics. I have a 17-year old cousin named Zackery who weighs double what I weigh, and has been hospitalized numerous times for dangerously high blood pressure, once even likely an early heart attack, which scares me and makes me worry about him too often. My sister Ellie's weight has also risen rapidly, and she has had increasing asthma attacks in result, and so these two experiences have tugged at my heartstrings deeply. I guess the problem is there's a lack of moderation overall, that because I'm the only vegetarian in my family, there's a sort of relational disconnect.

Also, I've heard story after story recently about tainted food every whichwhere, from E. coli in spinach to toxic deposits in pet food to corporations like Monsanto genetically modifying many of the world's seeds before extensive testing has been done to prove that they are safe for human consumption, etc., which have made me grow increasingly distrusting toward such foods that I see as impure, not wanting my body to be adversely affected in a negative way by the pesticides, antibiotics and other poisons that often somehow find their way into the mainstream.

I'm surprised up to this day I haven't felt sick, nor do I lose my concentration in school. But I know I can't allow myself to be deceived in that it'll be like this forever if this trend continues, and that I'm literally wearing thin by the day.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

[BLueSS]

Part of the dilemma is linked to family issues, the other linked to FDA politics. I have a 17-year old cousin named Zackery who weighs double what I weigh, and has been hospitalized numerous times for dangerously high blood pressure, once even likely an early heart attack, which scares me and makes me worry about him too often. My sister Ellie's weight has also risen rapidly, and she has had increasing asthma attacks in result, and so these two experiences have tugged at my heartstrings deeply. I guess the problem is there's a lack of moderation overall, that because I'm the only vegetarian in my family, there's a sort of relational disconnect.

Also, I've heard story after story recently about tainted food every whichwhere, from E. coli in spinach to toxic deposits in pet food to corporations like Monsanto genetically modifying many of the world's seeds before extensive testing has been done to prove that they are safe for human consumption, etc., which have made me grow increasingly distrusting toward such foods that I see as impure, not wanting my body to be adversely affected in a negative way by the pesticides, antibiotics and other poisons that often somehow find their way into the mainstream.

Your problem sounds like it's more than just being a vegetarian.

Dude, if that's all you're eating, you have just as much to worry about as your cousin Zach does. You need to worry about your own problems and actually eat something. There are plenty of foods that aren't "impure" as you're trying to screen, and if you go to organic food stores or places that carry more of the sort (Trader Joe's or something) you will have even less to worry about.

But with the amount you're [not] eating now, you might not have to worry about any "impure" foods here come 10 years down the road...

Sincerely,
Eat Something

[Arkaaito]

Antibiotics are poisons?  :shock:

I have no idea whether what I'm about to say will make you feel better, but it's food for thought (no pun).  Warning, long, etc.

1) Most chemical "impurities" in food are negligible compared to what's already there.  Vegetables and fruits have naturally-occuring pesticides, sometimes 2% or more of the food's net weight.  Any pesticides added by human farmers are generally added in very small amounts, and are usually chosen so that they can be washed off or so they decay naturally over time.  Believe it or not, the much-vaunted dangers of artificial pesticides are overplayed.

That said, the chemical pesticides added to grown foods are different substances (usually) than the ones that occur naturally, so if you're concerned that these particular trace chemicals may have dangerous effects, consider organically grown foods.  Trader Joe's has been mentioned.  QFC is OK for some things (though I have low standards).

2) If you'll forgive me for proffering a bit of unsolicited advice - try to cultivate an enthusiasm about food.  I've concluded that this is the number one thing that underweight people can do for themselves.  It may be impossible for you now that you've already spent some time having to force yourself to eat, so take a backdoor.  Possibly the best thing you can do is grow a garden of your own, if your location makes that feasible for you.  (I've known a couple of people with trouble eating who felt much better about food once they had grown it themselves.  When you do that, you have the feeling that you know where it's been.  And then you can look at foods that you didn't grow and say, "See, these are okay, they look the same as my potatoes."  That's the idea, anyway - I'm a bit dubious, but whatever works for them.)

Or pick up a food-related hobby.  Become a connoisseur of fresh fruit.  Heck, become a connoisseur of hybrid melons.  Make your own ice cream.  Learn to cook, particularly cuisine from vegetarian-friendly cultures like parts of India and China.  (Historically poor countries often have much richer vegetarian recipes than we in America do, because meat has been a rare luxury there.)

Other than that - get into the habit of taking snacks around with you.  If you're hot on a warm summer's day, don't drink the 0-calorie water (or even the 125-calorie vitamin water), take a bite of fresh fruit.  Carry fruit juice instead of water to cool down after games.  (But only if it works for you - some people can't do this, as the sugarier liquids are harder on upset or exerted stomachs!)

If you have the willpower to do this stuff, it will probably make things at least a bit better for you.  You may never be a 200-lb weightlifter or a 300-lb linebacker.  You may not even be a 150-lb "normal" guy.  But you will almost certainly be healthier than you were.

Best of luck, whatever you do and however it works out.

[discovolante]

Sincerely,
Eat Something

hahaha