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IT'S A HAZARD

Nah kids knocking them over or sticking things in them.  The arcade is all redemption and one shitty ddr extreme so its mostly children.

I agree that it's really just becoming that overly family-appropriate venue where swaggy teenagers occasionally crash, and it's no longer as populated with the music rhythm geeks like us.

The first sentence in the thread says poll only, no discussion there. Please follow the rules.

Gerrak, your comparisons of the ITG stage to a dance floor completely fail when you consider that on a dance floor people are actually, you know, dancing, instead of holding onto a bar and rapidly moving their feet a few inches to the same 4 positions to a 10 minute long dragonforce song.  

If more people played doubles, which is the closest you get to actual dancing on a dance game, then the dance floor analogy would work really well. But as we've all said, there's no dancing going on on the ITG machine, because doubles can't currently be played on the machine.

/end pro-doubles post.

So do we all agree on the following?
1) No decisions should be made one way or the other until new, good sensors are installed. Complaints about the pads needing constant maintenance and pass misses might be the fault of the sensors and not at all the modifications.
2) Try to possibly find some compromise between completely flushed and recessed to accommodate everybody? Completely shutting out either group of players and having one of the "pro-flushed" or the "anti-flushed" groups win over the other is a terrible idea that will continue to cause people to be decisive.
3) Baby powder left on the stage is dangerous and those who use it have already stated they will put more effort into cleaning it after they play to make it safer for everyone.

well the issue is that the poll is flawed, there needs to be a meta discussion thread for the poll itself so we can make a poll that is balanced and does not favor a certain side. i should also mention that how the results are displayed are skewed: pantsu does play at acme but the results are displayed as though he does not go there at all. the whole setup of the poll etc need to not favor anyone.

edit: some newer players may have minimal experience with non flushed pads so that even further skews it.

I am currently trying to accurately reflect the opinions of the LOCAL ACME PLAYERS and not the opinions of the extended community.

ADDITIONAL RULE GOING FORWARD:

Anyone posting a complaint in this thread must offer a possible solution for discussion. If all you're going to do is complain or point out flaws without putting a good faith effort to trying to help the situation your posts will be deleted without warning and a repeated offense will result in a temp ban so that you don't cause noise while others are actively trying to find a solution that will benefit everyone.

pointing out that the poll is flawed is in good faith, many players on facebook and elsewhere have stated they haven't been going to acme. this poll isn't representative of them. if anything the poll should be on facebook for acme/washington area players so they all get a fair shot. note how i'm not saying count oregonians here.

edit: the 3 month thing should definitely be deleted as well. could be a cross-site poll, i think pnwbemani+fb would be a good enough sample size to actually figure out what the community as a whole wants. perhaps put something on the machine as well that links to a www.strawpoll.me poll, so that way the discussion doesn't turn them away and they can just answer it?

If you'll notice, the 3 month element is not calculated into the actual poll results. It is additional information to supplement results.

As for posting on FB, for years this site has always been the one and only official discussion board for Acme's machine. If you find people on Facebook or elsewhere that are not discussing here, please direct them to post here so their opinions on this matter can be considered.

I have been a part of this community before pnwbemani was a thing.  I played at acme almost every night when I lived there and I still have fond memories of playing with some of you.  Now I almost feel not welcome in the community anymore and since my opinion doesnt matter anyway why should I care what happens.  I will probably just avoid visiting acme in general.

why is it so necessary to have supplementary information that has a bias?

not everyone wants to post here, and we still haven't heard anything from bill.
there's literally nothing wrong with an offsite poll that is run by you and serves the same function. with an offsite poll signups are unnecessary and it's easier for players who don't necessarily want to come back and post to vote.


this is a very valid point, and to be honest we should postpone the whole poll so people have a feel for both and can have a more informed opinion about how both ways feel?

I've already reached out to Bill. 

Also, if anyone active in the community who knows about this site is too lazy to come and talk in the official discussion, then they don't care enough. This is the only official place this discussion will happen. End of this discussion.
 
We can do a re-poll after the new sensors if many in the community would like to do that and feel it would have different results.

New sensors should be here in a week, I will give them to APHR for installation.

BTW, revenue has been a tad bit better since pad modding began, in case anyone was wondering.

My take on this, I just want the majority of the players to be happy.  I really have no opinion other than that. 

Bill

Hi Bill,

I know I've been away from the forums due to this heated debate, but I'm posting to say, thank you for getting some new sensors for us to install at ACME. I am eager to install them and get your machine running at 100% once again!

I'm extremely happy to hear that your revenue is a "tad bit" better since modding, and I will continue to do my best to make sure your revenue is a "whole lot" better once we install the new sensors. 

Thanks again,

Chris

CHRIS STAY...

These people here could use your help.
 ~ Dawn Of The Kore (XAVI BCN remix) https://soundcloud.com/m-project_suzumoto/dawn-of-the-kore-xavi-bcn

Played a killer set today. As in my feet still hurt.

I tested both sides on single for multiple sets. I also tested double for multiple sets. There was a slight issue with ghost stepping when I got there, but Kevin did magic wooby tape stuff and the ghost steps were greatly diminished after that. Double went better than you would expect. I was keeping 100 and 200+ combos on double 10's. Frankly, I was dropping combos due to the patterns, not the pad. I had much more ghost steps on singles for whatever reason. Don't know what that is about.

As far as I can tell, it real is just a sensor problem. I am not a 1337 pro, and I had a 224 combo on a double 10 at one point. That doesn't really smack to me of unplayable. I would strongly consider those that are convinced that you can't play doubles on this machine to give it a try. I was pleasantly surprised.

Hi West (Wes? Couldn't hear you to well over the ITG machine!),

Seeing that some of the fire has died down, I hope it's okay for me to post.  

It was great seeing you at ACME today and I'm happy to hear that Kevin was able to help you out today! Hopefully, we can have a beast session together sometime and really work on the stage together. We need more people like you to come out and help us test the stage! Once we get new sensors in, would you mind meet up with us to help test? We would greatly appreciate it!

Chris

I would love to test out the new sensors. One of the main reasons I came out today was to compare and contrast the old vs. new sensors. I would be comparing blind if I only played the new ones.

sounds good, i'm looking forward to peeping the accomplishments topic and seeing how players do/not adapt.

@iori242,

Iori241, I'm extending my hand out to you (over the Internet).

Lets just be friends.  

There is no need for any more arguing over trivial matters. You may or may not believe that I'm doing the best I can to accommodate to everyone's needs at Acme, all I can give you is my word. I know you have strong opinions about what me and my team are doing at Acme, but I can assure you that we're not trying to steer people away.

I apologize for anything I've said to you over these forums that may have upset you, but let us forgive and forget. Let us move on and smash some arrows!

I invite you come play with us at Acme whenever you have time. We can discuss how to make the stage better there.

Hey everyone,

I know I've been trying to stay away from the forums as much as possible lately due to the excessive arguing and drama that has been unfolding but, I'm back for now to request something from all of you, primarily those opposing the flushed stage.

After finding out that Bill has been making more revenue from ITG post-modding, it is hard to say we should remove the modding from the stage. Therefore, we should all consider keeping the stage in the flushed state.

Once I receive the new sensors, I would appreciate everyone to come help test the stage so we can fully flush and modify it to be playable for everyone.

My request is this...

If you have concerns about the stages performance, please post here in a constructive manner.

Instead of saying/doing:

"THIS STAGE IS FUCKED!"

"ACME'S PADS ARE TERRIBLE!"

"Just remove all the modding, they suck!"

"APHR is selfish and does only what he wants!"

"I'm going to rip off tape cause it isn't working for me!"

It is extremely difficult for anyone to take comments like these without defending themselves in some way... I felt pushed into a corner over the last few weeks.

I would really appreciate it if you would say:

"Chris, the player 1 Up Arrow is giving me miss triggers and might need some attention."

"Chris, think we can meet up at ACME so I can help test the stage? Its been giving me a lot of errors."

"Seems like player 2 Left Arrow is overly sensitive, could someone take a look into this?"

Criticism like this will give me and my team huge insight to what might be wrong with the stage and gives us something specific to fix, instead of trying to completely redo the stage to fix a small issue. Comments like these are constructive and informative and can really help us pinpoint the problem and help Acme's stage play better next time you visit.

I genuinely respect everyone's concerns and comments when they are constructive and non-insulting. I want this community to flourish and progress as the other communities have.

I know that there are some of you that simply oppose modding a public cabinet, but when the owner has stated that post-modding has brought in more money for him, it is difficult for me to undo the modding as this would deter me and my team from going as well as some other who spend a lot of time and money at ACME.

Please, give the stage some more time and work with me to make it work for you. I can't do it alone, I need everyone to help me make this cabinet amazing.

Feel free to PM me or post here on this thread when you are planning to go, and if I have the time, I am more than willing to meet you and test the stage together.

I wanted to add one more thing to APHR's requests. If by chance you do remove tape or foam we would really appreciate it if you let us know. Either by posting on Bemani or sending a pm or whatever is easiest for you, by telling us what has been removed, allows us to maintain and keep a personal log of our modifications. It saves us time and money and not to mention this is positive teamwork Modding a public cabinet, or at least the ITG cabinet at ACME seems to be really sensitive so please understand minor changes can have a really big impact.  Thanks!!


Have some rage? Go and smash some arrows

Hey guys not sure if you anyone is up for it, but I was at ACME last tuesday in the afternoon and I'm wondering if people would up to either modding/de-modding both sides. I'm really into doubles right now and it feels awkward on ACME's machine. Something to think about in the future I guess. I don't care which way it goes since I would be willing to adapt rather than complain.

A quick post with regards to doubles!

After watching Tyrgannus play doubles today, I can confidently say that doubles do NOT suck at the moment. As he stated in earlier posts, he was able to hold combos and only dropped them do to difficult patterning. 5 people were there, 3 of whom mod the stage to make sure doubles play was up to par.

We did make a slight adjustment to better help doubles player by reconnecting the outer most sensor on the Player 1 Right Arrow and the outer most sensor on the Player 2 Left Arrow. We've nearly removed all modding on that particular sensor to help doubles players more reliably trigger those arrows.

As of right now, the outer most sensor on Player 1 Right Arrow and Player 2 Left Arrow, have 1 thin layer of foam and a piece of tape to secure the foam. This was to alleviate any rocking of the panel.

If any doubles players go to play and run into any issues, please feel free to post here in detail about your experience.

When we get the new sensors in, I'll swing by to play some doubles.

APHR, if the sensors will be installed on a weeknight, I'll probably be able to test them out after 8pm that night.