Cool.  Bye

I don't see anyone in this thread that plays at acme and is concerned greatly about the brackets.

The pads are working and should stay as they are.

i think given the grander scope of this the "home machine" comment being part of the other side's entitlement complex it strengthens my position. that's why i put it in and i think it's fair. the rest of this is irrelevant. i never "brought you in": by posting information and conversing on a public forum you open up anything you say to scrutiny. if you don't want that delete your posts?

nice to know that building wide rules suddenly don't apply when you're in the arcade.
modding and brackets are not required to move onto higher levels of skill. i've already substantiated this argument multiple times but i'll some stuff again due to your insistence. it makes it EASIER to get higher scores, sure. **that does not actually alter your skill as an individual.** if you feel that you are performing much different without powder and modded pads than with it's only proof that your skill is lacking, not proof of a bad machine. i already provided the example of calimist and others who are much better than any of you but do not use powder etc in videos. clearly you all just aren't as good as you think you are or this wouldn't be an issue.
i'm glad my other points are finally getting through though. thank you for being open to a dialog here kloc.

First off, Iori (i.e. "i'm the shit") stop posting about Acme Bowl topics. You don't even play here so stop talking about our issues. Laura can you just ban this guy already? Seriously? He's just a huge antagonist who has repeatedly caused unnecessary conflict...

Second off, with regard to this response to Abbye:
Pardon my language, but shut the fuck up.


Everyone here should be ashamed of the fact that Chris and Abbye, two of the top players in the PNW, and people who have suffered through troubleshooting the mods, and then kept the pad in amazing shape for the last year until Acme freaked out and took away everyone's privileges have been treated this way and belittled in these fashions. I've seen those two bring in and bring up tons of new players and they are f-ing loved at Acme. The fact that they have been driven to the point of:
is nothing short of a huge embarassment to our community. They should be commended for all their efforts and very very positive involvement in helping encourage people's play, not hassled, and their not wanting to do with Acme should have all of us in strong consideration of our words and actions.


Lastly, to reiterate, BlueSS is spot on and I hope at least ends this bracket argument:

Thanks for your considerations.

Edit: tl; dr I dont care lmao

Love you too gerrak

I don't typically like to respond to trolls or people who like to cause waves for no reason. This is not how you make friends. There are some really awesome people in this community who do support one another. For the people who just troll there way through here and not actually meet in person, hang out, work on there dance skills, encourage one another etc...You really have no place here. Your opinion does not matter.

And like Gerrak said, why is Iori part of any of these discussions?He doesn't play at ACME!

He badgers a lot of people on the forums and for what reason.

Please don't consider the votes by those who do not play at ACME. They shouldn't ruin the game for those who do.

IMHO The bracket argument should not even be discussed

What if we dont want to make friends?

Then that is a really sad way to live

The reason I made this poll is because a lot of people messaged me asking for the brackets back, and I wanted to put it to a vote so that they would feel heard. I don't want to name-drop those people because I also want them to feel like it's safe for them to come to me with requests, and let's be honest: They'd probably be harassed or smeared on a personal level if I de-anonymized them.

I basically agree with Rose - that discussion isn't actually particularly useful here. The people who want the brackets back clearly don't want to fight about it, they just want a vote that counts the same as everybody else's. I am hell-bent on giving them that opportunity because I don't think it's possible to have a fair community unless everybody's opinion gets weighed equally. That's all.

Since people did start posting their arguments, I figured I'd just explain why I thought that was silly and then let them do whatever, but this is getting out of hand. Please stop debating in this thread, cast your vote, and that'll be the end of it. We are not twelve years old and there doesn't need to be drama every time there's a situation where not everyone can get their way.

Would you guys stop calling it a "higher level of play"? In my opinion technique is far more impressive than shuffling your feet at a million BPM. A quad star on Euphoria is far more impressive to me than clearing a 19 (see: there are a handful of people who can clear 19s, but absolutely zero people who can quad star Euphoria), but oh no!!!! Euphoria is only a 12. Anybody who plays that must be a scrub, right?

The pads at ACME are absolutely wonderful for using zero energy to do burst runs at whatever BPM your hearts desire. Shuffle that in with a pound of baby powder, your precious bar, and some slippery socks and you're in good shape to pass whatever "high level" charts you want.

Meanwhile, I don't give two shits about that stuff and I've been playing dance games for over 14 years. I've won close to 100 tournaments, large and small, and have given top ITG players a run for their money in multiple instances. I don't claim to be the best or even close to it. I recently moved here from the East Coast and it sucks seeing the only publicly available dedicab be modded to absolute shit for anybody who wants to actually get good scores. Have you guys tried playing pivot heavy charts on these pads? I played a Yodler in Texas on them earlier this week and racked up about 4 excellents and 4 way offs. It has absolutely nothing to do with my playstyle. The pads are way oversensitive, and them being so raised will cause them to fire if you move around the pad a lot. This isn't an issue if you're only playing 16th note streams at 240 BPM, so for you guys I'm sure they're wonderful. It's however, absolutely unfair to the rest of us who don't need to cheat our way through passing footspeed charts, and would just like a pad that works as it's intended to.

For the record, I have played on probably over 100 dedicabs all throughout the country since ITG2 released, and this is literally the first machine I have ever played on without the brackets. Right before I moved here we had a tournament in Florida called DDR Storm where plenty of top players came to compete. Our machine had the brackets. In the upper division Rynker and Paul tied with a DOUBLE QUAD on a 14. You do not need to remove the brackets to get "higher level of play" scores.

I would also like to mention that every player who recently moved here from FL (there's a rather large handful of us) have played on ACME's pads and been blown away by how terrible they were. Thankfully due to recent fixes they are way better than they were a month or two ago, but the biggest issue is still that they're way oversensitive, and that can be attributed to the brackets.

For anybody who's argument is to "get used to the pads," the same can be said to you. Build more stamina, lose more weight, move faster. It's a moot argument, so don't use that as your defense. Replacing the brackets will not turn them into bucket pads, and you are seriously overreacting if you think so. The entitlement in this thread is mind boggling.

Kaze hit the nail on the head.  My new favorite pnwbemani poster

Sorry iori

i guess i'll have to put more effort into my posts in order to Earn Your Love. btw it's not iori bc I'm the Shit.

there needs to be a debate and normal thread if this is gonna go on like this, because obviously people want discussion.
gerrak, you know you should be banned for being uncivil/telling others to shut the fuck up. you got me banned for that fyi. you are an unproductive troll.

also gerrak, you should respond to me and kaze's points. let's be civil and talk it over like bros

Hey this is APHR commandeering ROSE's account to respond to this particular post.  

Hi KAZE,

I just thought I should respond back to you with regards to your post since there are no other voices on this forum to stand up to your points.

I'm just going to point out that the thing I despise about the pad modding, more than anything else, is that it was done by a few people without explicit consent from the community at large.

In that light, "give us a good reason to change it back" is a pretty weak talking point. It shouldn't have been done at all without taking that step first.

Why can't we just play the game the way it was meant to be played?  If we are expected to get aquainted to the modded pads why cant we expect you guys to do the same? 

It would be nice to actually want to play ITG at Acme again. 

THIS IS APHR POSTING ONCE MORE ON ROSE'S ACCOUNT


With regards to receiving consent,

Might I remind you that I received consent from Bill and from the majority of players that frequently visited ACME.

Yes, I did make a mistake in that I didn't receive 100% consent from every player that visits ACME, but in all fairness, of the 3 years that I've been going to ACME everyday for at least 3-4 hours a day, I have yet to run into you and a few others. Otherwise, I most certainly would've taken your opinion seriously.

Having said that, do you believe the best idea is to completely revert the stage back to its original state? If so, we should receive 100% consent from all the players that are frequently  visiting ACME. I am only saying this because, at the moment, the majority of players are enjoying the stage the way it is now.

So, if we receive 100% consent to revert the stage back to normal, then I am 100% for that decision. 

Hi! My name's Allan. If you haven't met me, I've played more ITG at Acme than anyone and I've won a bunch of PNW tournaments. With that in mind, and being that I've played with almost everyone who plays at Acme, many people come to me when there's things to be done at Acme, drama, etc. I used to jokingly refer to Acme as my "kingdom;" I care a whole lot about it and the people who play there and have worked my ass off to help things to stay as best they can there, hence why on the left here if you mouse over "Owner" it says for Acme Bowl. Honestly, if you haven't met me in-person, I have trouble believing you have any real investment (yet) with our community since I go to almost every event and play all the time there.

This is why I am so vigorously protective of the current state of things, and why I am so resistant to the recent abrasive nature of these forums and the recent 'discussions' on them. Just as Laura has claimed people coming to her about these brackets (presumably mostly FL people), I have had at least 5 or 6 people message me separately about how they feel like the machine is poised to be ruined and how upset they are with the direction things seem to be going. We have also had at least 4 players quit playing at Acme Bowl due to this kind of antagonism, which has never happened before and whose reason is really shameful.



To provide some history, these modifications were discussed for years. This has been something we decided to do after a very long time of playing in craters. And it was talked about with all the regular Acme players; I would know because at the time I was playing at Acme every day and I knew everyone there. We got tired of trying to do Dragonforce and other stuff on that kind of pad, when seemingly everyone else used modifications... People used to come complain about how bad Acme's pads were for having no mods! Like Canada and Kevin Boddy (MMX).

As I understand it, some of you guys just moved here or just started chiming in when we were trying to nail it down and troubleshoot it when there were a few problems. Now the pad is great and doesn't give any kinds of errors that I've seen. We modified it with Sara (PEZ)'s pad style in mind, but only recently got the proper sensors for it.


So my problem is that I feel like you guys just moved here and are trying to just take over everything and change it to your liking when we just finally got things working properly in the way we have it modified. With the new sensors we figured were the problem, we were able to get them
 Again, it was done with Sara's pad in mind. While I welcome you guys to the PNW, the whole "insult and antagonize" instead of "support and encourage" attitude you made very clear at SPERGIN is simply not how we play or discuss things in Washington.

Further, I've gotten phenomenal scores on crossover/pivot songs as well as others. I quadded Tomoe the other day for instance. I too was very frustrated at the prior state of things; I especially hated footswitch songs because the pads were too sensitive and I'd get tons of errors, but that has been thankfully finally fixed now!


Look, we've had a community that has been around for a pretty long time, and we did these things in the way we did for a reason. While you might not like exactly what we've done, the dozens of people who competed in IWSS 1/2 tended to like this style, hence why it has become the standard here. It is also a standard of modification that can be found in other places, so the idea that it's "just us who do it this way" is simply not correct. We emulated other national-level players' perfect setups with those players' direct guidance. At this time the pad works great for all kinds of songs and it should really be in the realm of "if it ain't broke don't fix it". If there's a really great reason as to why they should go back on then provide it, but I really don't see why anything needs to be changed from where we are now and potentially screw things up again. The pads are modified to a good healthy competitive standard (just maybe not the one FL is used to) and work great as-is. Thanks for your consideration.

This thread has been open for several days and no reason other than personal preference has been provided as to why the brackets should be added back. PM Laura with a vote. I'm closing this endless debate because it continues to be pointless and only preference. The machine works great now. It just might not be what you prefer. We get that. We will never please everyone, so go give Laura a vote and decide whether brackets will keep you away from Acme or  not.

Thread closed.